Comments on: Judging programming languages by the results http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/ by Alexander Rødseth Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:45:27 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jilani KHALDI http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6999 Jilani KHALDI Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:59:44 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6999 I think that Object Pascal (Free Pascal and Delphi) is one the very few true high level and complete languages. You can develop every kind of software you want without the need of any other language. I think that Object Pascal (Free Pascal and Delphi) is one the very few true high level and complete languages. You can develop every kind of software you want without the need of any other language.

]]> By: Thorolf A. Holmboe http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6997 Thorolf A. Holmboe Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:21:05 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6997 Thanks a lot for a refreshing and interresting read! It is indeed a vital point that code size and complexity should determine the choice of programming language. I tried a lot of different stuff in the early days of computing, and find your assertions very plausible! Interrestingly, the two last programming languages I learnt was Pascal and C respectively! And as a hacker at heart, C was very appealing in its maximum compactness and ablilty to swallow cryptic but ingenious operator combinations, but Pascal was appealing in its lightness and clarity. If I was to take on a bigger programming project, this blog notice might tip the balance in favour of Pascal! :-) Thanks a lot for a refreshing and interresting read! It is indeed a vital point that code size and complexity should determine the choice of programming language. I tried a lot of different stuff in the early days of computing, and find your assertions very plausible!

Interrestingly, the two last programming languages I learnt was Pascal and C respectively! And as a hacker at heart, C was very appealing in its maximum compactness and ablilty to swallow cryptic but ingenious operator combinations, but Pascal was appealing in its lightness and clarity. If I was to take on a bigger programming project, this blog notice might tip the balance in favour of Pascal! :-)

]]> By: pailes http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6996 pailes Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:52:00 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6996 "I bet FT2 would be open source if it was written today." You don't seem to know much about FT2 ;) Regards “I bet FT2 would be open source if it was written today.”

You don’t seem to know much about FT2 ;)

Regards

]]> By: megaribi http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6970 megaribi Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:06:12 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6970 Pascal is European language, and therefore it is more popular in Europe than in America. Borland's implementation (now CodeGear's) of Pascal called Turbo Pascal, later Delphi, was and still is so good that I still find it better solution than C, Java, C++, C#, Visual BASIC etc. Just mention several properties: - Pascal code is more readable than any C derived code. Keywords "and" "then" "begin" look easier to read than "&&" "){" "{", - DOS version of TurboPascal generated incredibly short executables - No need to create make or header files, copiler will solve all source code dependances - Delphi is point and click development tool. It is quick way to enter the GUI development. - Everything you need is in your executable. Forget OCX registrations, JAVA virtual machines dependancy, .NET versions - There are about 300 included components in Delphi and about 4000 additional components available on Internet, not counting ActiveX controls. - Components are for different kinds of software. It is possible in 10 minutes to write program that will browse through Oracle base and send notification E-mails to addresses found in database. - Debugger and IDE editor are very easy to use and configurable. - There are also FreePascal and Lazarus. Although they are lower quality than Delphi they allow Delphi programs to be ported to Linux and Solaris. Pascal is European language, and therefore it is more popular in Europe than in America. Borland’s implementation (now CodeGear’s) of Pascal called Turbo Pascal, later Delphi, was and still is so good that I still find it better solution than C, Java, C++, C#, Visual BASIC etc.
Just mention several properties:
- Pascal code is more readable than any C derived code. Keywords “and” “then” “begin” look easier to read than “&&” “){” “{”,
- DOS version of TurboPascal generated incredibly short executables
- No need to create make or header files, copiler will solve all source code dependances
- Delphi is point and click development tool. It is quick way to enter the GUI development.
- Everything you need is in your executable. Forget OCX registrations, JAVA virtual machines dependancy, .NET versions
- There are about 300 included components in Delphi and about 4000 additional components available on Internet, not counting ActiveX controls.
- Components are for different kinds of software. It is possible in 10 minutes to write program that will browse through Oracle base and send notification E-mails to addresses found in database.
- Debugger and IDE editor are very easy to use and configurable.
- There are also FreePascal and Lazarus. Although they are lower quality than Delphi they allow Delphi programs to be ported to Linux and Solaris.

]]> By: bee http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6961 bee Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:37:06 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6961 @admin: > For sure, I’ll give the Free Pascal Compiler a shot next time I’ll write a full fledged GUI-program. What would you choose for your next project? Go give it a shot. I've been doing web app and GUI app using Pascal for years. I found myself more productive than people that using other languages. ;) @admin:
> For sure, I’ll give the Free Pascal Compiler a shot next time I’ll write a full fledged GUI-program. What would you choose for your next project?

Go give it a shot. I’ve been doing web app and GUI app using Pascal for years. I found myself more productive than people that using other languages. ;)

]]> By: bee http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6959 bee Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:32:43 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6959 @Miran: > I’m sure that if Pavel chose a more modern language to do his app it would have been equally good but he would have done it much faster. You know nothing about Pascal that you're talking about. :P Compare GIMP (written in C/C++??) with Pixel. Both in final quality, crossplatform, and code quality. GIMP is written by many people, Pixel is written by A SINGLE PERSON! Yet Pixel is better than GIMP, IMO. :P (Object) Pascal that being used nowadays which is used by Pixel is much more modern than C/C++. Go try FreePascal and Lazarus (cross platform open source) or Delphi (win32 only). You'll surprised to see what modern Pascal can do! :P C/C++ people... get a life! See what is going on outside your "world"! Perhaps you don't know that there's something called iPhone today. In case you're still thinking that phones need cables and has no display. :P @Miran:

> I’m sure that if Pavel chose a more modern language to do his app it would have been equally good but he would have done it much faster.

You know nothing about Pascal that you’re talking about. :P Compare GIMP (written in C/C++??) with Pixel. Both in final quality, crossplatform, and code quality. GIMP is written by many people, Pixel is written by A SINGLE PERSON! Yet Pixel is better than GIMP, IMO. :P

(Object) Pascal that being used nowadays which is used by Pixel is much more modern than C/C++. Go try FreePascal and Lazarus (cross platform open source) or Delphi (win32 only). You’ll surprised to see what modern Pascal can do! :P

C/C++ people… get a life! See what is going on outside your “world”! Perhaps you don’t know that there’s something called iPhone today. In case you’re still thinking that phones need cables and has no display. :P

]]> By: ailaG http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6939 ailaG Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:10:57 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6939 Ohhhh, try Ada. What a terrible course that was. It's VERY strict. Very OO too. It's a great one when you're not stuck shouting at your program that refuses to compile. Scheme is very annoying. I've had a class on it a few years ago, the intro to CS class. They only taught us how to set variables around the end of the semester, and then told us not to use that. (We (wrote (everything (in (recursions))))). Ohhhh, try Ada.
What a terrible course that was. It’s VERY strict. Very OO too. It’s a great one when you’re not stuck shouting at your program that refuses to compile.

Scheme is very annoying. I’ve had a class on it a few years ago, the intro to CS class. They only taught us how to set variables around the end of the semester, and then told us not to use that. (We (wrote (everything (in (recursions))))).

]]> By: Graeme Geldenhuys http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6938 Graeme Geldenhuys Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:14:12 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6938 Something I would really like to make clear is that there is a BIG difference between Pascal (from the 80's) and Object Pascal (as used with the Free Pascal Compiler and Borland Delphi). Object Pascal is a much more modern language. Yes it's derived from the original Pascal language, but now includes Objects and many other modern language constructs like Generics etc... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_(programming_language) Lazarus, Pixel and the fpGUI Toolkit are all written in Object Pascal. Something I would really like to make clear is that there is a BIG difference between Pascal (from the 80’s) and Object Pascal (as used with the Free Pascal Compiler and Borland Delphi).

Object Pascal is a much more modern language. Yes it’s derived from the original Pascal language, but now includes Objects and many other modern language constructs like Generics etc…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_(programming_language)

Lazarus, Pixel and the fpGUI Toolkit are all written in Object Pascal.

]]> By: Bart http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6937 Bart Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:14:35 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6937 A good FT2 replacement for Linux appears to be SkaleTracker, although I didn't get it working.. A good FT2 replacement for Linux appears to be SkaleTracker, although I didn’t get it working..

]]> By: Victor http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/comment-page-1/#comment-6936 Victor Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:08:34 +0000 http://www.pvv.org/~alexanro/2008/01/11/judging-programming-languages-by-the-results/#comment-6936 I'd like to give PHP for standard apps a shot. I like PHP a lot and it seems interesting. I’d like to give PHP for standard apps a shot. I like PHP a lot and it seems interesting.

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